Herkimer/Montgomery County Queries for August 1 - 15, 1997




Dana O'Meara Wed Aug 13 1997
Looking for any information on Magdalena or Magdelene NIHOFF b. Oct, 1811, probably in Palatine and her ancestors. She m. Joseph GROSJEAN c.1832. They lived in Palatine and Mindon before moving to Ava in 1852.



Lynne Krantz Wed Aug 13 1997
Peter John FAILING b. Aug. 10, 1837. Would like to verify parents' names. We believe parents are Henrich John Failing and Catherine DYGERT. Thanks for any help and source for documentation you can provide.



Paul Fraser Wed Aug 13 1997
John STEWART and Catherine MONTIETH: I would love to hear from you if you know anything that relates to the following: My Stewart ancestors (John Stewart and father Donald Stewart) emigrated from Killin (in Perthshire on the southwest tip of Loch Tay). John Stewart (born 1776) married Catherine Montieth in 1810 in the Broadalbin/Johnstown area in New York's Mohawk Valley. John Stewart and Catherine Montieth had eight children:

Thanks in advance for any assistance. Paul Fraser



David Beck Fri Aug 15 1997
I am looking for ancestors of Peter LAMBERT b. 1727 PA, d. July 10, 1806 Canajoharie, NY. Married to Catharina ? b. about 1723. Sons were George Lambert b: March 18, 1764 PA and Peter. Any and all information will be appreciated.



Scott Billigmeier Fri 15 Aug 97
FOX or FUCHS family of St. Johnsville and Minden, NY: I came across this great web page by chance and could not resist sending a question (well maybe more than one). I have traced my Fox line back to Peter P. & Delia/Adelia (KRAMER) FOX of Minden. He was born in 1797 and I strongly suspect that he was the son of a Peter (c1770-?) & Catherine (ROSENCRANTZ?) Fox of St. Johnsville. I believe, because of circumstantial evidence, that this line descends from Christopher Fuchs/Fox, a Palatine German, who came to the Mohawk Valley around 1710. Unfortunately, everything beyond Peter P. is educated speculation. Do you have anything that would confirm or deny some or all of the above? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Scott Billigmeier.



Bill Zullo Thu 14 Aug 1997
CROSS, Samuel (and children Daniel, Samuel, Judith) moved to Remsen, NY from Roxbury VT after 1833. Bill Zullo <1870@netheaven.com> (Note: Remsen is the Oneida Co. township whose eastern edge borders the townships of Ohio and Russia, Herkimer Co.)



Dan Howland Mon 4 Aug 1997; posted Thu 14 Aug 1997
I am looking for information on the 97th NY Inf. Co. I. My gg-grandfather Caleb HOWLAND served with this company from July 24, 1863 - June 8, 1965 and I would like information on the unit. Any information such as rosters, battles participated in, etc. would be helpful. Caleb Howland was a draftee and was from Cayuga County not Herkimer County where the unit was from. Any photos or description of uniforms and model of musket or any company photos will also be helpful. Thank you. My address is: Dan Howland, 1616 High Plains Dr., Virginia Beach, VA 23464 (Note: I was able to determine that Company I of the 97th Vol. Inf. was recruited in a nearby Oneida Co. township. Men often enlisted where they were visiting, went to school, or had family, and individual companies of regiments often contained men from the surrounding region.)(Update Sept 2: the roster of men from Company I who lived in Herkimer Co. specifically is posted in our new 97th NY Vol feature.



Stephen J. Feit Wed 13 Aug 1997
Quackenbush-Fort Plain 1770-80: Am seeking the gravesites of my great-grandparents Abram I. QUACKENBUSH and Helen M. Quackenbush, who are listed in the 1869-70 Town of Minden Directory as living in Fort Plain. They are listed as having a bakery. They had a daughter Emma (Emogene) and a son Charles EHLE Quackenbush. I hope someone can lead me through the morass of lost and burned 1890 census records. My grandfather Charles Ehle Quackenbush moved on to Gloversville sometime at the end of the century.



Mary Durland Tue 12 Aug 1997
I need any information on George SHULER, born 1723, died 29 Nov 1819. To my knowledge he died in Amsterdam, NY and is buried in a cemetery Shuler(?). There is a will dated 27 May 1809. How do I find it? Thank you.



Joan Veeder Tue 12 Aug 1997
Need help locating information on a William FAGAN of Caughnawaga, NY. Found in the 1790 Federal Census of Montgomery Co. Any information on this person will be appreciated. Thanking you in advance for your time and assistance in helping me.



Ruth Jordan Thoden Sat Aug 9 1997
My ggg-grandfather, John JORDAN born March 9, 1764 (don't know where); married probably in Orange Co., NY 1785 to Julia SWARTOUT who was born 1769 d/o Jacobus Swartout. Jacobus was living in 1785 in Sugar Loaf, town of Warwick, Orange Co., NY and assume his 16-year-old daughter, Julia, was living with him at the time of her wedding. John Jordan does NOT appear in the 1790 census of NYS as 1-2-1...as he would having had two males born to Julia by census time 1790. By 1800, John/Julia and family residing in Cherry Valley, Otsego Co., NY beside her father, Jacobus, and her brother, Moses. She died between 1807 and 1810. An unnamed male child born to her in 1807 and she does not appear in the 1810 census with John Jordan.

John Jordan continued to reside in Cherry Valley until about 1848 when it was thought he joined three of his sons in the town of Wirt, Allegany Co., NY but having recently found his will probate in Cooperstown, county seat, Otsego Co., learned he died town of Pike, Wyoming County, NY which is where one of his three daughters had settled. He died 1/26/1850 and is buried on lot of my gg-grandfather, Jacob Jordan, in Mount Hope Cemetery, Friendship, Allegany Co., NY . Issue of this marriage:

Tradition among family members is that the Jordan clan came from Ireland, but I've no proof one way or another. I've analyzed ALL Jordans who lived in Orange County, NY before, during and after Revolution and find no connection with my John Jordan. Julia, wife of John, had two brothers, Aaron and Moses Swartout, who married at the Presbyterian Church, Goshen, Orange Co., NY but no record of John Jordan or Julia Swartout being baptized, married or ever attending this church. I've pretty much ruled out the possibility of my John Jordan being a YORDON (Palatine family who came to Mohawk Valley between 1709-1711). I've not ruled out possibility that my John Jordan may have been product of a Jordan family who were Tories and fled to Canada, he returning after the Revolution. There was such a family in Westchester Co., NY - John JORDAN born Scotland in 1729 descendants, but my John not part of this family.



Paul Fraser Fri Aug 8 1997
FRASER, WALKER, MCNAB, STEWART, COYNE Our genealogy includes not only FRASER, but many WALKER, McNAB, McPHERSON, STEWART, CARMICHAEL, McEWEN, McNAUGHTON (MACNAUGHTON), and ROBERTSON ancestors. Most of these ancestors emigrated from Perthshire, Scotland, more specifically the Earl of Breadalbane's former estate (also known as Lochtayside or the area surrounding Loch Tay).

Ancestor David WALKER was born in 1752 on a farm called "Donaphail" near the towns of Kenmore and Dull and emigrated aboard the ship "Commerce" in 1775. He arrived in Johnstown, New York (then Montgomery County, now Fulton County) shortly thereafter. David Walker married Elizabeth Walker, who had emigrated from Scotland aboard the same ship. David Walker and his son William Walker (born 1779) owned farms in Perth and Broadalbin, NY. Other offspring of David and Elizabeth Walker were:

NcNAB ancestors (offspring of Finlay McNab) were born at farms called "Edravinnoch" and "Blarliargan" near Killin. Son John McNab (born: 1769), who married Margaret Walker (born about 1780), and grandson John McNab, Jr. (born: 1815) were prominent residents of Johnstown and Gloversville.

STEWART ancestors (John Stewart and father Donald Stewart) were also from Killin. John Stewart (born 1776) married Catherine MONTIETH (born: 1786)in 1810 in the Broadalbin/Johnstown area.

Most of these Scot ancestors emigrated to upstate New York (Johnstown, Broadalbin, Perth, Gloversville, Amsterdam, etc. in present day Fulton County) and many later moved to the Caledonia area in Livingston County, NY. Our FRASER ancestor (William Fraser, Sr.) emigrated from the Badenoch region of Invernesshire, Scotland to Johnstown in 1807. William married Jennet DAVIDSON and had a son William Fraser Jr. in June 1808 in Johnstown. They then relocated to the village of York in Livingston County and later to Fowlerville and Caledonia.

Our genealogy also consists Irish ancestors with the surname of COYNE. The Coyne ancestors (Malachy Coyne) emigrated to Avon in Livingston County from Castlerea, County Roscommon, Irish Republic in the mid-1800s.

If any of this sounds familiar and you have any connection to our genealogy, we'd love to hear from you. Happy ancestor hunting, Paul and Robert Fraser. pwfraser@worldnet.att.net  Paul William Fraser, 4936 Washburn Avenue, South Minneapolis, MN 55410



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George Woliver
I am a WOHLEBEN/ WOOLIVER (and other variations) descendant. My documented direct lineage goes to Sullivan, Madison Co. NY to a Sabre A., mother of Henry Wooliver (his father is an unknown connection). I am presently seeking more information as we know that Henry's aunt's brother married Sabre. Henry's aunt was a Margaret Wohleben who married Joseph OLCOTT, Jr. Any information would be GREATLY appreciated. I have a family descendant home page at


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Terry Houlihan
My family visited your area about 1806/7 and some of them are still there. Have had much frustration and pleasure in locating them. Your page is welcome. Keep diggin'. My folks are from German Flats area and include HEWES, BAILEYS, MORASONS and RHODES.



Don Fullem Tue 5 Aug 1997
Looking for more info to complete files. Especially need info on both great-grandparents. William FULLEM b. 1-1852, m. about 1875-76 to Frances M. LYNCH b 7 1853. G-grandmother Frances M. Lynch shows in the 1870 census for the village of Frankfort NY with the Patrick and Mary LYNCH family. 5 children Elizabeth, Joseph, Frances, Rose and William. Frances LYNCH also shows in the 1880 census in Frankfort NY as wife of William Fullem. All from Frankfort, Herkimer Co. Had 12 children:

  • Mary: b. July 1877
  • William Jr: b. July 1879, d. 1/ 6/ 40
  • Elizabeth V.: b. June 1881, d. 1962; m. George LOEFFLER
  • Joseph Henry: b. June 6, 1883, d. 4/ 22/ 52; m. Lena KLOSSNER 6/ 20/ 06
  • Edward F.: b. March 18, 1885, d. 7/ 68
  • Thomas P.: b. March 18, 1885, d. 3/ 72
  • Frances G.: b. August 30, 1887, d. 1969; m. William MCCALL,
  • Rosa C.: b. February 10, 1889, d. 3/ 69; m. Andrew SMITH
  • George C.: b. April 1891, d. 1948
  • Margaret L.: b. December 1892; m John McCANN
  • Matthew: b. March 12, 1895, d. 1/ 78 Irene: b. April 9, 1897, d 7/ 82; m Ulysses G. NICHOLS

All the births and marriages were in Frankfort and the deaths were in Utica, Ilion or Frankfort. Thank for any help you may provide.



Roland Elliott Mon 4 Aug 1997
cyrus west field b 1857 ny mother fidelia nash d 1828 son minor smith field m eliz longbotham lived &d. herkimer ny same liz.

Roland: I just received the above from you and can't tell if you want it in the Surnames section or on the queries board. One thing I noticed. If Cyrus was born in 1857 how could his mother have died in 1828? Could you get back to me with corrections and I will post it promptly. Thank you!

Roland Elliott Tues 5 Aug 1997 1

good point i missed that ,he was supposed to have worked on first atlantic cable and be related to marshall field, any help appreciated, sincerely,roland




Joan Veeder Tue 5 Aug 1997

I need assistance locating information on Jacob WARD born 1807 in Herkimer Co. NY. Name of wife Mary Margaret?. Children of Jacob and Mary Margaret are: Alexander, (my g-grandfather) born 1832; Nelson, born 1834; Menzo, born 1835; Thadeus, born 1840; Mary Margaret, born 1842; Nathan, born 1848; Moses, born 1850. Jacob and family moved to Steuben Co. NY (Wheeler and Avoca areas) when Alexander was a young child. The earliest record I have found in Steuben Co.is deed to property he purchased in 1835. Any information on this family will be greatly appreciated. Joan Veeder. JoanV11399@aol.com



Dick Anderson Mon Aug 4 1997
HAZELTON, Thomas J. (b. about 1830 - d. after 1871) m. Almira or Diani COLE. Lived in Le Ray in 1870's. Any info appreciated! Dick Anderson. (Note: Dick is referring to a township in Jefferson County, which is two counties northwest of Herkimer County. Since many members of Herkimer/ Montgomery/ Mohawk Valley families emigrated to Jefferson County, it is a good place to search for "missing" family members and collateral lines.)



David Fenner Mon Aug 4 1997
I was born on June 20, 1963 in Herkimer County to an unwed high school student. If anyone in Herkimer County has any information pertaining to my birth I would be most grateful. I am currently a Finance Executive in Silicon Valley, CA and can be reached at 510-745-7280 hm, collect. Many thanks to anyone with relevant information. Best Regards. (Note: David, my acknowledgement to you came back user unknown!)



Stanley A. Shaut Fri Aug 1 1997; received 8/5
Is there any information about the once-famous cheese factories of Herkimer County? I believe my grandfather, Charles Shaut owned, or ran for a cooperative, the Albert 400 factory. It was probably located near Paines Hollow. Where can I look for additional information?



Lynn Weeden Sat Aug 2 1997
$5O reward! For information leading me to a FORD or ELDRIDGE bible that was, in the early 1900s, in the possession of Martha Eldridge STAFFORD who was living with her husband, John Stafford, on a farm near Little Falls, Herkimer Co., NY. Martha's parents were John D. Eldridge and Amanda Ford. This bible has information on the birth and parentage of Derinda Eigenbroat (Eldridge), b. 8 Aug 1827 in Fords Bush, Minden Township, Montgomery Co., NY.



Glenn W. Duspiva Sat 2 Aug 1997
Looking for information on Jacob M. COOK born in Montgomery Co., NY on 31 March 1846. Birth, baptism, any notes. Thank You. Glenn Duspiva



Harold Lorenz, Jr. Fri Aug 1 1997
Searching for any information of my grandparents: Gilbert LORENZ said to be from the mid west, St Louis has been mentioned but not confirmed. He arrived in Utica, NY in late 1800s - early 1900s, met and married Clara STAPPENBECK. They had 4 boys, Russell, Gilbert, Donald, and Harold. Clara died in mid 1930s, boys in and out of orphanage until Gilbert remarried Ina (?). They landed in Old Forge and opened(?)/ran the Old Forge Diner. Gilbert died in mid 1940s. Donald ended up with diner which became Lorenz's Pancake House.



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