Herkimer/Montgomery County Queries for July 1 - 15, 1997






Mike Stafford 13 Jul 1997; received July 15
Looking for information on the following ROBISON/ROBINSON lineage. John ROBISON, b. at.1706, m. Jamike DECKER (b. 1710). They had James Robison, b. 17 Oct 1740 in Charleston, Montgomery Co. NY, d. prob. NY. He married Margaret ADAMS in Claverich, Columbia Co. NY. Margaret Adams b. 19 Nov 1743 in Voluntown, Winham Co. CT, d. 21 May 1821 Clay, Onondaga Co. NY.

James and Margaret Adams Robison had the following children:

Note: Mike sent much more beyond this last entry tracing the descent of Joseph Robison (b. 1768) through his son Timothy B. (Brutus?) Robinson, b. 15 Oct 1789 E. Greenbush, Rensselaer Co. NY, 13 Mar 1882 in Chardon, Geauga Co. OH. Timothy B. Robinson married Betsey BUSHNELL 21 Dec 1817 in Geauga Co. OH. Betsey Bushnell was born 9 Oct 1799 in Litchfield, Herkimer Co. NY and died 30 Jan 1874 in Chardon, Geauga Co. OH. Because of space limitations we couldn't post it all. Please contact Mike directly for full information.



David Bishop Tue 15 Jul 97
A long-postponed family reunion last year uncovered a trail of names in my family that led to Montgomery County. My 5th great-grandfather is reported from the baptismal records of the Dutch Reformed Church, Stone Arabia, Town of Palatine, to be John HAHN/ HAWN, who married Katy RICE at a date unknown. Their descendents are as follows:

I am interested in locating the Dutch Reformed Church at Stone Arabia. I understand that the Stone Arabia Lutheran Church was built in 1792 and was located on NYS 10 about 3 miles north of Palatine Bridge. I wonder whether the Dutch Reformed Church was nearby. I would like to find out whether any Hawns owned land in the area. I also am interested in Katy RICE, a line that no one in my family knows anything about. I would like to trace how John Hahn (Hawn) and Katy Rice came to the Mohawk Valley, and ultimately how their ancestors came to America.

In scanning your website I found reference to a Conrad HAWN, originally from the town of Herkimer, killed in the Battle of Oriskany in 1777. His name was in the list of soldiers in the Battle of Oriskany file. Since there are so few records of "Hawns", I am curious as to whether Conrad Hawn could be the father or uncle of John Hahn (Hawn). Do you know anyone who has more information on the soldiers in that conflict?

Your page on famous pioneer women also profiles a prominent "Rice". Is there any way to determine whether this person is related to the Katy Rice that married John Hawn and attended the Dutch Reformed Church? Thanks again for your e-mail and your help. I am new to the area of geneology, and I find it facinating.



Jeff Lintner Tue 15 Jul 1997
George LINTNER, Sr. (LENDNER) was born in 1744, originally from Ziverbrenken, Bavaria. Ziverbrenken may be what is known today as Zweibruecken, originally a part of Bavaria, now a part of Palatinate. It is not clear at this time when he came to this country. Many Germans emmigrating to other countries between 1683-1820 did so to escape religious persecution following the changes brought by the Thirty Years War and by economic hardship. It is likely that most Germans at that time traveled up the Rhine River, leaving through Rotterdam in the Netherlands. Unfortunately, records of departures were not kept during this time. It is likely, however, that George Sr. arrived in the port of New York City.

We know George Sr. married Elizabeth HILBERT in 1770 at the age of 36. Elizabeth, born probably in Germany, in 1743, was 37. George apparently lived within Montgomery County, New York as a yeoman. A yeoman is described as an independant farmer, below the gentry class. According to the Mohawk Valley Land Record Abstracts from 1738-1788, George and another man named Steven SCHRYVER, purchased 400 acres on 6/2/1773 from Philip LIVINGSTON, a merchant of New York City. The price was L242 or 242 Pounds. There is some question if George lived in New York City at the time of the purchase and then moved into the Valley to begin farming.

We know that George Sr. fought in the Revolutionary War as a private in the battle of Oriskany. He served under Capt. KLOCK under the command of Gen. HERKIMER in the Tryon County Militia. He served in the 1st regiment, Tyron County Militia under Coll. Samuel CAMPBELL and Ebenezer COX. Little else is presently known about George and Elizabeth.

George Sr. dies January 27, 1826, after a codicil to his will on January 12th of 1826 in Minden, at the approximate age of 82. George Sr. is buried in Minden, New York Mt. Hope Cemetary. Elizabeth dies in July 11th, 1818 at the age of 78 and is likely buried in the same location.

There are at least five known children (not ordered by age):

I am Jeff Lintner, ggggg grandson of George. My e-mail address is sfeap@aol.com.



Elmer Fralick Jr. Tue Jul 8 1997; received July 14
Looking for information related to the FRALICK family located in Montgomery Co. area since before the 1700's. Earliest located is Charles (9/1820), who was married to Sarah DINGMAN (3/13/1820). Partial listing of children is John Henry, Sarah J., Martha A., and Elmer Elsworth. The origins of the family came from two brothers who came from Germany. One stayed in the Montgomery Co. area. The other went "west".



Elmer Fralick Tue Jul 8 1997; received July 14
Looking for information regarding Peter BECKER (7/1835) married to Margarett (6/1841). Children listed were Alice E., Alfred E., Grace M., and Martha S. Also interested in any family history that may be available.



Virginia G. Deagan Sat 12 Jul 1997
Does anyone have information about Ur ROOT who was born in 1766 in Southington, CT? From his first marriage he had a son, Lyman Root. He married a second wife, Annie WOOD and they lived at Russia, Herkimer Co. He died 10 Oct 1826.

I have been looking for the parents of my gg-grandfather, Samuel Root and thought Ur might be his father. Samuel was born abt. 1804 in Herkimer Co. and married Louisa HARVEY there in 1836. They had children, Harriet, Irving, Howard, Adelphine, Mary and Orrin, all born in Herkimer Co. I have collected quite a bit of ROOT information in my search and will be glad to share anything that I have. Ginny Deagan at http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~gdeagan. (Note: Ginny is coordinator of three Florida GenWeb sites!
http://www.rootsweb.com/~flescamb/index.htm
http://www.rootsweb.com/~flgadsde/index.htm
http://www.rootsweb.com/~fldixie/index.htm



R. Penelope Phillips Fri 11 Jul 1997
Page 39 of the 1850 census shows my gg-grandparents, Joseph & Nancy BRADWAY PHILIPS and their daghters, Hannah Orcellia Phillips and Eustacia Ann Phillips. I believe that both girls were born while Joseph & Nancy were living in Charleston. I find them in 1860 in the Town of Rotterdam, with a new son, Harmon Oswald, who was my g-grandfather. Hannah may have been born 1/3/1847 and Stacia in 1849. Searching for more information. Your web site is great. I note that the Town of Florida cemetary page has some Phillips that I would be interested in looking at. Would you let me know where Phillips Locks is? I would love to drive out there to see if I could access the site or not. Rose Penelope Phillips (Note: does anyone know if the cemetery still exists and how to get there?)



Marsha Haeflein Wed 9 Jul 1997
Theron SWART, born in Russia, Herkimer Co., NY, in July 1849. His older brother is Alfred Swart b. 1847, possibly same location. Theron's parents were John Swart and Mary ROWLAND. They did move on to Warren Co., PA, and Chautauqua Co., NY. Need info on Swart and Rowland in Herkimer Co. Thanks for your help! Marsha Haeflein



Chris E. Ema Wed 9 Jul 1997
I have from my Orange County CA Genealogical Society Library a publ. "Records in the Montgomery County Archives, Old Court House, Fonda NY". On page 2 under Town of Amsterdam, is given: "First Dutch Reformed Church [located at Manny's Corners] Indexed 1799-1825". It appears to be the oldest church and may contain a "marriage" for Joseph JANES b 1776/7 Amsterdam Twp Montgomery Co, m. Sarah C. CANFIELD [have her pedigree] b 1781 Mayfield Fulton Co.; son Oliver b Abt 1805 Vienna Oneida Co. NY. There is a group of 10+ that I have nicknamed "the Janes Gang", who are against the brickwall of not finding the parents of Joseph. At this point, any help would be appreciated ! Need parents!



Betty Govoni Mon 7 Jul 1997
Seeking descendants of Malcolm CAMPBELL family of Herkimer County. Emigrant Malcolm Campbell and wife Sarah SMITH (dau. Peter Smith and Margaret McMILLAN) arrived c. 1807 from Argyll, Scotland. Settled in Russia, Herkimer. Had children: Dugald, John, Peter, Sarah, Edward, James and Ellen, possibly Leonard and Rosell, between 1807 and c. 1820.

Their son John Campbell married Harriet McALLISTER, b. c. 1819/20 in NH. Harriet's mother was Jane (marr. name McAllister) and she was b. 1786 in New Hampshire. John Campbell and Harriet had several children in the 1840's-1850's in Russia, Rome, & Newport:

Catherine and Flora became Mrs. William BENNETT and Mrs. ANDREWS. Not sure which married which. Both had relocated to Fall River, MA by 1894.

Seeking descendants of these Campbells, as well as descendants of Charles, Hadcock, Bennett and Andrews families the girls married into. Also seeking parents of Mary Ellis b. 1854/55 in Newport, Herkimer, who married Howard Campbell. Please email: TO MIAMI@aol.com



Kim Branagan Sun Jul 6 1997
DAMUTH, Polly, born 1800 in Deerfield, Oneida/Herkimer Co., NY. Married Josiah ROOT bef 1820. Their 13 children were born 1820-1844 in Oneida, Herkimer, and Onondaga Counties. I have copy of Root Family Bible birth, death, and marriage records for their children. Looking for parents of Polly DAMUTH. Will share any info I have.



Merle R Price Mon 7 Jul 1997
Zedekiah SOUTH, b. 28 Dec 1755 @ East Windsor Twp. Middlesex Co. NJ., d. 19 Oct 1835 Montgomery Co., NY. Married abt. 1783 probably in NJ. to Mary McCABE, b. 11 Feb 1759, d. 16 Mar 1829 Glen, Montgomery, NY. Her parents were James McCabe and Mary HUGHS. They had five children I am sure of and possibly two others. They are as follows :

Some of these dates are from Caugnawaga Dutch Ref. Church of Fonda, NY. Birth date and place from Rev. War Records of Zedekiah South. Children are from family Bible in possesion of Leo Dygert of NY. (dead I think) I would like all the information I can get on these people and will be happy to exchange what I have. Oh yes, Zedekiah had a brother Lippincott South who married Edith McCabe, a sister of Mary McCabe. He is listed in the 1810 Census of Montgomery Co. with Zedekiah .



Beth Waller Mon 7 Jul 1997
Thomas RATHBUN moved to the Norway area from Rhode Island in 1801. His wife was Elsie Ann COOPER, also from R.I. They raised 9 children in Norway: Gilbert, Samuel, Betsey, Hannah, John, Thomas Jr., Updike, Edmund and James. Thomas sold his farm in 1829 and moved to Bull Hill in the town of Ohio. He died there and he and his wife are buried in Barnes cemetery both in 1835. Beth Waller



M. Ann Devletian Mon 7 Jul 1997
I am looking for information on either an Alexander VanBROCKLIN or Suzannah DAVIS circa early 1800's. They are my gg-grandparents from Fonda in Montgomery Co. I am a FILMER from Gloversville in Fulton Co. Appreciate any help. Bob. Write: pentales@esva.net



Leo Lawton Sun 6 Jul 1997
Oliver LAWTON was one of the settlers of the Royal Grant in Herkimer Co, Fairfield about 1789. Thanks. Leo Lawton. llawton@bbs.tsf.com



Kim Branagan Sun Jul 6 1997
Leander WOOD(W)ARD was born in Herkimer Co., NY, in 1806 and died in Pompey, Onondaga Co., NY in 1882. He married Almira HUBBARD about 1840. Almira was born in Winfield, Oneida Co., NY, in 1812. Her parents were Francis Hubbard and Mary Mann. Francis was from the Sunderland/Hatfield, MA, Hubbard family. Trying to prove that Ozias WOOD(W)ARD and Nancy HUBBARD (who lived in Winfield, Oneida Co., and sold property in Herkimer Co., NY, in 1817 and 1828) are parents of Leander. Leander and Ozias both later appeared in Pompey, Onondaga Co., NY.



James Gillespie Sat Jul 5 1997
I am seeking information on the origin and family history of my gggg-grandparents Jacob HARDER and his wife Catherine (family name unknown) who farmed near Little Falls NY. Jacob was born in Germany, emigrated before the Revolution and fought in Robt. van Rennsselaer's regiment. Catherine was said to be a 'Hollander'.



Kit Lee Fri Jul 4 1997
Attempting to establish contact with relatives of Julius Edgar COUNTRYMAN, b. Canojaharie 7/15/1894. Father also Julius Edgar, b. @1849 Minden, Montgomery Cp. Mother Elizabeth EMPIE b. @1856, Sharon Springs NY. I am granddaughter of younger Julius. E-mail sometimes unreliable. Snail mail at 57 Church Rd. Sherman, CT 06784 (Note: email definitely unreliable. My acknowledgement to her bounced back)



Suzanne Clement Fri Jul 4 1997
Seeking information about Lucien Mills CLEMENT, born in Waterville, NY in June, 1864. He was living with George TRASK in 1870 in Palermo, NY (Oswego county) as per census records. Also seeking information on his father, Timothy Clement, and mother, Louisa Trask. (Note: Waterville is just to the west of Herkimer County)




H. Sherman Fri 4 Jul 1997

SCHEURMAN/SHERMAN: George Sherman b. 1780; m. 1803 Mary HOUSE, d. 1846 in Little Falls, NY. Lived for a time in St Lawrence Co. NY, then at Little Falls, NY, then moved to Saline, MI. Returned to Little Falls to dispose of property when he died. Said to be related to General Herkimer. A 1781 baptismal record in Herkimer for a George Sherman gives parents names as Johannes SCHEURMAN and Elizabeth. Who were parents, where did they come from, where did they settle?



Houlihan Fri Jul 4 1997
Hunting my great grandpa to the forth power whose name was William MORRISON. He was married to Sarah (Sallie ) HEWES. They lived for many years in Warren and Columbia Townships. Their marriage date was 1806 and I know that one of my grandmas was born in Warren in 1820. What I'm looking for is info on their places and dates of death and burial. Also would like to know if Wm's. father was with him in Herkimer County. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Oh, yes, one of their daughters, Betsey, married a man named BALEY or BAILEY and lived in Columbia in 1850. Thanks.



E.L. Fraidenburg Wed Jul 2 1997
FREIDENBURGH/FRAIDENBURGH: Looking for information on the family of James & Jane Freidenburgh, who lived in St. Lawrence County NY circa 1800-1840. They had three sons, Oliver, b. abt.1830, and twins, Moses and Jason, b. abt.1831. Thank you for any assistance. Ed Fraidenburg, 1916 Poseyville Road, Midland, MI 48640-8538



Melva McClellan Tue 2 July 1997
I am looking for information on the Joseph HART family. Wife's name was Adaline. This is my ggg-grandfather. Family records say my gg-grandfather George D. Hart, born 1846, was born in Little Falls, NY. Joseph Hart and family were in Janesville, Wis. in 1850. Joseph was born in NJ in 1810. Adaline DICKINS Hart was born in NY in 1821. Her father was Enos Dickins and they lived in Fairfield. In 1850 they had son, Albert 8 yrs. old. William was 5, George (my gg-grandfather) was 4, Varnum (I think that is how it is spelled)(male) was 2 and all the children were born in NY. Some of the family records show Little Falls, NY. Any information would be helpful.



Janet Stearns Tue Jul 1 1997
Can you tell me anything more about Elizabeth WALL? Born 16 May 1807 Boventry, R.I. Married to Albert ARNOLD 16 May 1807 Poland, Herkimer, N.Y. Died Jan 1834 Poland, N.Y. Daughter Adeline Wall Arnold born 16 Apr 1835 where? Married Ferdinand SMITH 1861 where? Daughter Elma Elizabeth Smith 1 Oct 1863 - 13 Feb 1934 where? I have an old collection of Smith's earlier ancestors if anyone is interested. This information was taken from an old genealogy wheel with Elma at the center. Did she have any other heirs who might be interested?




Charles W. Rose Tue 1 Jul 1997

Abraham CONOVER married Nelly MALOTTE in Fonda in 1780. Their son, William COVENHOVEN (?) married Susan SCHULER in Charleston, Montgomery Co. in 1816 (Note: I don't understand the reversion back to the earlier Covenhoven version of this surname and have some doubt about it.) Their son was Gaylor C. Conover, b. Dec 25, 1819 in Glen. He later married Jane Eliza FRANK in Root, Montgomery Co.; died in Low Moor, Iowa, 1925. Their son, William Clinton Conover, b. Montgomery Co., 1856, lived in Low Moor, Iowa, m. Carrie HUTSON in 1880, d. 1925 . Their son, William Claude Conover, b. Low Moor, IA, Mar 30, 1892 was my grandfather. He m. Ella M. SECOR in Fond du Lac, WI, Nov 15, 1911. So that's how I am connected to the Montgomery Co. Conovers.

Calvin WOODARD aka Calvin WOODERT was baptized June 13, 1819, St Paul's Lutheran Church, Minden, Montgomery Co. He m. Mary B. SMITH in Ionia, MI , in 1840. Their dau, Frances Louisa Woodard m. John E. LOWE in Ionia, April 24, 1870. Their dau, Marian M. Lowe m. Charles Joseph ROSE in Mpls, 1902. There you have it. I have two links to your lovely Montgomery County at the same generation!! I know it is lovely because my wife and I visited there very briefly last September, visited Fultonville, Glen, Johnstown, etc.

These Conovers are an ubiquitous lot. They first arrived in the Americas in 1625, were part of the handful of Dutch folks who founded New Amsterdam. The head of the line in America was Wolfert Van KOUWENHOVEN. He was my 9th great-grandfather. My 5th ggf was Cornelius Conover who died in Montgomery Co. 1804. I notice there is a Cornelius Conover in the 1869 Charleston directory. I sure would like to be able to figure out how all these Conovers link together.



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